USA vs. Mexico: Live Commentary

Captain Carlos will need to old school today because he's on Chicharito Patrol.


Freddy Adu starts for Juan Agudelo…

Your US line-up: Howard; Cherundolo, Goodson, Bocanegra, Lichaj; Bradley, Jones; Donovan, Adu, Bedoya; Dempsey.

It’s the United States.

It’s the Mexico.

Both clubs come in today looking for that golden ticket to the 2013 Confederation’s Cup.

No more is to be said.

The Rose Bowl in Pasadena is filling up.

Starting line-ups around the ben in just a few hours here.

109 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Rich on 2011/06/25 at 1:22 PM



  2. Does anybody know where I can look up the results of all competitions between the US and Mexico? Not in the typical X-Y-Z format but an actual list of results/fixtures that shows the back and forth results (i.e., US 2-0, MEX 1-0, Tie 1-1, US 2-0, etc. along with dates and results).


  3. Posted by Charlie G. on 2011/06/25 at 2:45 PM

    Bartender, Hold the Tecate, Dos Equis, Carta Blanca, Superior, Corona, and Pacifico ! …and while you’re at it hold the little pea !


  4. Posted by BernieBernier on 2011/06/25 at 3:05 PM

    Wow…. They haven’t beaten us outside of Azteca except for the C team in the last Gold Cup since 1999. Feel like its been more even than 10-4-2 since 2000.


    • Posted by Daniel on 2011/06/28 at 11:26 AM

      To be honest, that record is a bit deceptive.

      12 games on U.S. Soil.
      3 games in Mexico.
      1 game on neutral field.

      I have a feeling that record would be a bit more even if more games were played in Mexico.


  5. Posted by Texas 1836 on 2011/06/25 at 3:56 PM

    Sadly, that does not make me feel any better.


  6. Posted by wowzers on 2011/06/25 at 5:08 PM


    LINEUP FOR THE USA: 1-Tim Howard, 3-Carlos Bocanegra (capt.), 4-Michael Bradley, 6-Steve Cherundolo, 8-Clint Dempsey, 10-Landon Donovan, 13-Jermaine Jones, 14-Eric Lichaj, 20-Freddy Adu, 21-Clarence Goodson, 22-Alejandro Bedoya

    Subs: 2-Jonathan Spector, 7-Maurice Edu, 9-Juan Agudelo, 12-Jonathan Bornstein, 15-Tim Ream, 16-Sacha Kljestan, 23-Marcus Hahnemann


  7. Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 5:11 PM

    Anybody else watching the U17 game right now??? Its rather entertaining.


    • Posted by Andy_4Lakes on 2011/06/25 at 5:43 PM

      Yes! It is entertaining and the young US boys look good. Bummer on the red card for shirt tugging. But he should have known better. Carrying a card for shirt tugging from 1H, so that’s a pretty clear warning not to do it again. Kids!


  8. Posted by chris on 2011/06/25 at 5:15 PM

    Wow- Adu starting over Adugelo. Either a stroke of genius by BB, staring Adu after seeing (limited) action in one match to date, or an epically bad decision that will haunt him.


  9. I think it’s in Bob’s job description to freak us out as often as he possibly can. I may die of heart failure before this game even kicks off.


    • Posted by elizabeth on 2011/06/25 at 5:55 PM

      I think he’s working with beer companies to ensure that people drink as much as possible before, during, and after the game. Nervous about the lineup? have a beer. US goes down early? have some more. Late winner? Everybody have some.

      Not a bad strategy


  10. Posted by dikranovich on 2011/06/25 at 5:33 PM

    sayanora bandito


  11. What do we think of this new line up with Donovan up front and Adu behind, etc?


  12. Posted by Andy_4Lakes on 2011/06/25 at 5:59 PM

    Props to “Dude” who in the preview said:

    “The chances of Adu not playing in this game are the same as the US carrying a solid lead late into the game- slim.


  13. ‘what so prooooooudly…’


  14. so far Dempsey almost caused a goal by keeping Chicharito on sides; Jones took out Cherundolo; Lichaj is getting burned; and Adu etc. all can’t handle the tight spaces….

    So there’s hope.

    Go USA… and keep shape


  15. This match will be exciting for the ENTIRE MATCH. Bornstein already subbed in…quick change


  16. color comment man predictably lame.


  17. little pea my ass


  18. 5-0 zero might be nice scoreline


  19. Posted by Gino on 2011/06/25 at 6:31 PM

    At what point does Mexico press the self-destruct button? Not being cocky but that’s been their history.


  20. Posted by AdamFromMich on 2011/06/25 at 6:32 PM

    OK, the camera work on this CONCACAF stream needs some work. They keep overexposing the video.


  21. So when does MEX start hunting for tarjeta rojas?


  22. Posted by Gino on 2011/06/25 at 6:35 PM

    Bornstein got beat? Couldn’t be!


  23. and Bornstein still thinks hes playing CB; too far central. Now we have a game.


    • weirdest part about Bornstein’s play is he know the ball is going past him and his first few steps take him central then he has to run back out as he tries to close on his mark.

      Besides that I like Adu’s play and that we are pressing high. don’t back down. Bradley needs to go at guys like Jones is doing however. We can’t give them space and drop off, we will lose if we make it easy on them to get service


  24. Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 6:38 PM

    Nice marking Bornstein. Even if he was within 5 feet of Barrera that would have been better than whatever he did.


  25. Posted by AdamFromMich on 2011/06/25 at 6:40 PM

    Dempsey’s got to stop falling down every time he gets challenged. The ref’s not fallin’ for it.


  26. Bradley is too nonchalant. Play with some more passion


  27. Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 6:42 PM

    Bornstein beat again and Mexico scores. Why is this guy on the team again???


  28. maybe Ream instead of Bornstein would have been better…hmmm tough to switch center backs midstream but….. couldn’t be worse


    • Posted by Jen on 2011/06/25 at 6:46 PM

      Or Spector. We would’ve probably have been better off with a hurt ‘Dolo instead.


  29. Posted by Matthew on 2011/06/25 at 6:46 PM

    This is gonna be one to remember.


  30. Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 6:47 PM

    My rating for Bornstein so far (playing for Mexico) 8/10!!!!


  31. Posted by AdamFromMich on 2011/06/25 at 6:54 PM

    Wow. Adu and Bedoya aren’t on the same page, and Lichaj isn’t on the same page with anyone. How did we score 2 so far?


  32. Posted by mbw on 2011/06/25 at 6:57 PM

    Dolo out = turning point of first half.


    • Posted by Jen on 2011/06/25 at 7:07 PM

      This team is really missing him right now. His defensive positioning, his linking on the right. Helped create the corner that lead to the first goal with a hurt ankle. Maybe we’d have been better with him staying in, lol.


  33. So here’s a question (right now) in this emergency would you trust Ream or Bornstein more at LB?

    Seems like after half plans for backline should be:

    1) Ream to CB, Boca to LB, JB gone
    2) Spector to LB?
    3) Ream to LB
    4) Spector to RB, Lichaj back to LB
    5) JB stays in for 20 more minutes and we go down by 2 more goals


    • on Ives’ site, I read the following: “At this point the USA might be better off just attacking Mexico. Defending isn’t working. Perhaps a 3-5-2, replace Bornstein with Agudelo and just match attack for attack. Sounds crazy, but the alternative has been bloodied.”

      in other words, 6: ‘the Tarantino’.


    • Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 9:55 PM

      Eric, way to call the game. Jonathan Bornstein, wherever you are, for the sake of the national team, decline the next invite if Bob Bradley still decides to call you up.


  34. Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 7:01 PM

    Knowing Bob Bradley and his love for Bornstein: 5.


  35. Who’s not on the bench?

    Altidore, Rogers, Onyewu? ?


  36. Posted by Andy_4Lakes on 2011/06/25 at 7:09 PM

    Why is Spector in 18? What was the possible scenario that would see him on the pitch?


  37. BB’s big risk of waiting to use that 2nd sub.. just bite him in the a**. Yeah stabilizing our backline this early with another sub deprives us of another offensive choice later but now we are down by 1


  38. Posted by Steve Trittschuh on 2011/06/25 at 7:15 PM

    Bornstein’s man scores again. Mexico (Bornstein) 3, USA 2.


  39. Is Ream on the bench?

    How would his service not help us in this situation?
    Why is BB waiting until we are down another goal?


  40. Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:21 PM

    You have to wonder why no Spector and keep Lichaj, who was doing a decent job, on the left. Go Freddy!


  41. Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:22 PM

    When will we say for the last time “Please God, not Johnny B, anybody but Johnny B!”


  42. good shot


  43. And now we see how integral Dolo is to this team. Not only is our left side now screwed up but we don’t have the calming outlet of Dolo to move the ball up.


    • Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:25 PM

      Agreed, Dolo has been our most consistently good player over the tournament. Mickey B and Dempsey have had great matches, but Dolo has never had a bad one.


  44. Thank god a sub, yes Bedoya probably off?


  45. Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:27 PM

    Mickey B, on both ends yet again.


  46. Is Adu MOTM right now?


  47. Mexico is attacking JB with vengence


  48. a-hole ref needs to produce a card


  49. Whether by design or not JB is not playing LB right now. He is a defacto LM, Bradley is playing more LB than JB is.


    • Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:43 PM

      If it’s design then it is stupid, because Mickey has so much more going forward than JB


  50. Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:41 PM

    Revenge time, I can’t imagine getting this killed by Mexico.


  51. It is going to take a long time to stop being mad at JB….a long time. He is running around either being redundant next to other USA players or not challenging anyone and just backpedaling.


  52. BB want to go down with his boy Johnnie B on the field?

    With Bornstein’s arrival the game has been 100% right flank attacking. 100%.


  53. Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 7:46 PM

    I’d like to see them get more physical (except Jones) because they have been cheap shotting and hacking us all match long.


  54. Is BB going to not use his 3rd sub at all? If that happens his job should be seriously on the line


  55. Posted by Ufficio on 2011/06/25 at 7:57 PM

    Kind of a horror show from Timmy. We deserved to lose this game, but if he had played to the level we’ve come to expect, we might have had a chance.


    • Posted by AdamFromMich on 2011/06/25 at 8:02 PM

      Kind of tough to pin this on Tim Howard. He didn’t play badly. He just didn’t play spectacular. To me, the US defense gets most of the blame for this loss. The midfield could have played better also.


      • Howard didn’t play crazy good, which is to say he had a slightly off game. But at least two of those goals go in on any keeper, the first one was a mishit ball – Timmy was going to where it should have been, and then it wasn’t there but he’d already shifted his weight, to be honest that was a lucky strike…any time you give up four, your keeper didn’t do great…but this could’ve been five or six, too.


    • Those shots were point blank, yes maybe he shouldn’t have come out on Dos Santos, but if Boca slide tackles the ball away there is no goal there. Howard is not to blame in this one. MB had a bad game and our defense was under waves of pressure all match. It didn’t help that we had a black hole on the left side (he who will not be named), everyone else was doing double duty.


    • Posted by Jake on 2011/06/25 at 8:08 PM

      Nothing he could do about the last two…except maybe go thru dos santos’ legs…jones backed away on the fourth and bornstein contributed to the first three.

      In all honesty we were lucky not to be down two by the time Bradley scored.

      I think Freddy is back in play…and JB needs to be done.


  56. Posted by SuperChivo on 2011/06/25 at 8:01 PM

    Well, Mexico right now is the better side and by a very, very comfortable margin. No Stevie C, no real replacement (damn you, Timmy Chandler) but really, they ran over us all night. I’ll admit that Mexico is better, for now.


  57. USA goes up 2-0. Great Bradley decision to bring on Adu to start. However, Dolo’s injury was a game changer, and the play of the game was BB’s decision to put Bornstein on the field. I’m not going to call for his dismissal, but his crotch bulge for Bornstink MUST be deflated by now, because he almost singlehandedly lost the match. Once Bornstink comes in, USA gives up 4 straight goals.

    I actually think USA played well over all, but when the ship hit the iceberg, it was destined to go down.


    • I’m giving him at least partial blame him for three of those, and the lion’s share on two of those. I would never wish injury on one of our own guys…but sweet Jesus, tonight I wanted to kill him.


  58. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you what happens when a string of high-risk, high-reward gambles finally goes against you.

    That said – I think we’re still playing if Stevie didn’t go down. Damn you, Bornstein. Damn you to the WPS. And don’t come back.


    • What gambles do you think went against US? I’m curious. I thought Adu was clearly one of our best tonight. Unless you are talking about the roster. Than I could see your point with not bringing four forwards. But even then, we scored twice tonight. That should be enough.


      • What’s the bigger gamble? Moving Lichaj and bringing on JB, or putting Spector at right back and hoping that’s enough? Or, bringing on Ream and moving Boca out wide.

        Now, I’ll grant you that none of those options are appealing – but only one of the three involves weakening two positions instead of just one AND using a player who hasn’t seen any time on the field all tourney.

        Yes, Adu looked good. His “reemergence” (though I don’t think he ever really did emerge the first time around) as a legitimate asset in attack was huge tonight.


  59. Was there ever a better time for Bornstein to take Honduras up on that vacation offer?


  60. Posted by Steven on 2011/06/25 at 8:08 PM

    First off, great game to watch. I hate the result and got over confident early on, but I think the us learned a lot of things from the game and at the end the gold cup means little and the confederations cup is nice perk but it takes away from the next gold cup.

    Questions: Can Tim Howard single handledly win games for us anymore? Freddy Adu could/should be an integral part of the next world cup; he may over dribble, but he may be the only effective dribbler we have? Donovan and Dempsey are great now, but what about in 3+ years? As we knew before, the back four is going to need a complete over haul before the next world cup, boca is solid now and hopefully dolo is still great, but if not our entire back 4 maybe different. Is Bradley and Jones ever going to click? Lastly, shouldn’t good teams be able to keep a 2-0 lead? (Ghosts of the 2009 Confed Cup came back) and please no 2-0 is the worst lead in soccer because that just annoys me.


  61. Posted by Joamiq on 2011/06/25 at 8:18 PM

    You know what hurt more than anything in this game? The loss to Panama. That meant the US had to go hard for 90 against Guadeloupe rather than getting the key guys some rest. Today, Bradley and Jones were a step slow all night and were unable to win possession battles in central midfield. Ultimately that’s why Mexico was able to take advantages of the weaknesses in the US backline and why the US was unable to do anything against the weakened Mexican backline. Had they gotten some rest against Guadeloupe, you have to think they would have been able to go harder today.


    • Posted by Joamiq on 2011/06/25 at 8:21 PM

      This is not to discount the effect of having to sub out Cherundolo for Bornstein. Obviously it totally undid the backline. But I think the US still might have been able to salvage it if the central midfield had been able to go pedal to the metal.


      • Posted by Paul on 2011/06/25 at 8:55 PM

        Will agree that all of the defensive lapses in today’s game cannot be placed at the feet of Bornstein. Despite being one of the better defensive mids in the German league, Jones still doesn’t look comfortable with the Nats; Bradley scored but had a number of turn overs. Mexico seemed to be at a different speed than we were for the first 60 minutes–a combination of superior team speed, positioning, tactics, and preparation. Hell, Mexico looked aggressive and seemingly tackled away everything in the middle third of the pitch. It is an odd game when you can claim Mexico looked like the better defensive team in the middle of the pitch than the US, a nightmare scene that created so many chances for Gio and friends.


    • Completely agree here. And then Donovan would’ve had more rest, as well.

      But you make do with what you have – and Mexico was coming off a game where they went 120, which to me balances out our issues earlier on.


  62. I would fault Bornstein on the last goal partly as well. In the buildup, boca plays a wide ball to where Bornstein is running. The Mexico player cuts it off, but bornstein bails on the challenge, and backs off giving whoever it was time to lay it down the wing to the corner where all the madness started. If JB goes hard into that ball, he forces a quick distribution from Mexico and definitely not down the line. Go back and look at it. I think you will see what I mean. He was always going to be second best on the ball, but should have pressured. He is just BAD. Has been for four years, and will be going forward. NOT AN OPTION anymore.


    • Posted by cfig on 2011/06/25 at 10:02 PM

      I actually find Goodson largely at fault on the last goal. When that ball is played in towards the penalty area he hesitates on it, had he attacked that ball I think he could’ve cleared it and avoided the situation entirely.


  63. Posted by Gino on 2011/06/25 at 8:30 PM

    This just in. Jonathan Bornstein just became a naturalized Mexican citizen. He’s no longer eligible for the US National pool as he’s declared for El Tri. In a related story, Mexican First Division club Tigres has released Bornstein from his contract and is eligible for a free transfer. Chivas USA AYSO affiliate Chivas East LA announces Juanito Bornstein as a new acquisition to their U-17 roster. Strangely, there are no protests within the league except for Chivas East LA parents.


  64. Strikes against BB:

    1) Player selection for Gold Cup. Alluding to Rogers, Spector, and apparently not all together Onyewu. There were many other needs for this team to fill. Wasted opportunities to get a true LM, another striker, and Bedoya (originally not in), maybe Demerit or Chandler. If players were realistically not going to play they should not have been on this roster.

    2) Slow tactical changes. Bradley’s achilles heel is waiting to long to respond to the situation. It seems he always waits until the 65 min or so to make that impact sub. Matches like this called for it sooner. Half time called for stabilizing the defense/ back 6, so the offense could operate. Never happened. Also the offensive subs came too late respectively to help. Bradley loves to wait until the other coach has used more subs. He thinks it is always better to respond to what that coach is going to do. A lot of times that is wise, but when you are getting pummeled it is not the time to play chicken. When is the last match that Bradley subbed in a player significantly before the opposing coach got his respective sub in?

    3) Continued trust in JB. Blame the coach way more in putting JB in than Bornstein himself. There were other options and I have a very hard time believing that JB was showing well at all in practice. Every video of practice scrimmages shows him getting burned and beaten. Why are Ream and Spector there if not for this situation? I honestly would have trusted a deep lying (and slower) Ream at LB if need be than JB (obviously Ream would be better at CB but tough to move Boca out) Or just replacing Dolo with Specs. Yes it can be said that BB was in a tough situation but in many respects he put himself in that spot. Could have pushed to have Chandler, or could have brought in Demerit, etc. as further depth for the stretch run and flexibility.

    Really think this was a poorly coached match. Bradley had a dysfunctional team out there after Dolo left. He did not respond. Heck could have even gone to 3 in the back, as Bornstein wasn’t really effectively playing defense anyways. So many times he abandoned his post and went far too high up.


    • Posted by The Dude on 2011/06/25 at 9:30 PM

      I got nothing more to add but well said. You should send that to Guiliti his columbia email is well known. Not that he will read it but its good analysis.


  65. Posted by Gino on 2011/06/25 at 9:23 PM

    All drunkeness aside, congratulations to Mexico. They are (currently) the class of CONCACAF. The bar has been raised and the Nats have roughly 20 months before the next Hexagonal. Much work to be done. This current Mexican generation are clearly talented and have a resolve not recently shown in this rivalry.


  66. As upsetting as this loss is right now. I am still proud of this team, EVERY player on this team and (to a lesser extent) the coaching staff. They made it the final and heck their is no way I could do better than the any of them. Hoping this loss shakes us up and we regroup for qualifying. As much as we critique the players every match, it is good to remember that the opposing team sometimes is better. Mexico, attacking us relentlessly, deserves credit for this win; lets hope Dolo is alright.


  67. Posted by Johninho on 2011/06/25 at 10:21 PM

    Bradley Out. Tactical mistakes? No – team selection. Both in the roster and in the starting XI. Which incidentally was our problem at the last World Cup (not selecting the hot striker, among other things). Rongen, Nicol, Hyndman, I don’t care at this point, but Bradley’s not the guy.

    I seriously need to see the USWNT dominate. At which point, Pia Sundhage can coach the men’s team, too.


  68. Posted by Texas 1836 on 2011/06/25 at 10:46 PM

    My takeaways from tonight:

    1) We’re at a turning point in the storied history of this rivalry. The last decade was defined mostly by Mexico refusing to recognize that we were a much better soccer-playing force, and they paid for it dearly with many painful losses.

    But that’s changed. Someone else pointed out that players like Chocharito and Dos Santos have grown up seeing the US as the superior side. And they have burned and burned and burned with a desire to surpass us. All that effort was on display tonight.

    Conversely, players like Jozy Altidore and Freddy Adu have not grown up suffering from the disrespect of El Tri. They’ve grown up with us as the superior side, but our vets are aging quickly.

    Which leads me to point 2:

    2) Complacency, complacency, complacency. I’m not a Bob Bradley hater. I think the pressed more right buttons than wrong ones in this tournament. I think the maintains a solid handle on the team and managing it.

    Howevahh, when you retain a manager after a World Cup cycle, you are announcing to your entire organization: “Good enough.”

    And are we good enough? Really?

    Tonight says, no, we’re not.

    We’re not deep enough, skilled enough, or hungry enough to defeat Mexico right now.

    And that last part is what bothers me most as a fan.

    I feel like tonight was the realization of Mexico’s hard work and deep desire to best us once again.

    I feel like we’ve grown a little too fat and happy for our own good.

    3) We need new blood.

    We need new blood in the coaching ranks, new blood in the playing ranks…new blood.

    We need to recalibrate our standards and goals, and we need to get the next wave of US soccer players ready.

    Mexico suffered while they kept running Cuahtemoc Blanco and Oswaldo Sanchez out against us, thinking maybe this time, maybe this time. And Mexico got over the hump when they found their next wave of players and got on with them.

    I hope we won’t make the same mistake.

    4) All was not lost in this Gold Cup.

    Despite the bitter suckitude of losing to the Jotos, some things were accomplished in this Gold Cup, important things actually.

    a. We found a LB.
    b. We re-energized a creative, attacking, uniquely skilled player in our pool
    c. We discovered some quality depth in a few places
    d. We came to grips with a few players who probably don’t need to suit up again for us

    June 2013 will be exponentially more lame than I wanted it to be, but I also see tonight as an opportunity to recognize the raised level of competition from our rival Mexico and accept the challenge to once again become better than them.

    That’s going to take effort and willingness on our part. Hopefully the sting of tonight can fuel it.


    • Posted by FulhamPete on 2011/06/26 at 12:47 AM

      Well done.
      Although, I’d like to raise the idea of what might have been if our REAL 23 roster could have been accessed.

      Instead of names like Rogers, Bornstein & Wondolowski, we could have seen names like Chandler, Holden, & Davies.

      I’m not so naive as to think that we are that much better than Mexico. However I AM saying that at full strength, we are a far sight better than we were during this tournament.

      Imagine if you will, a new USMNT, not one of 2010, or 2011, but of your imagnation…

      Altidore-Davies (Agudelo, Mwanga)
      Dempsey-Bradley-Holden-Donovan (Bedoya, Adu, Jones, Edu)
      Lichaj-Ream-Goodson-Chandler (Boca, Dolo, Gonzales, Onyewu)
      Howard (Hahnemann, Hamid)

      Just suggesting. And I KNOW I’m missing some other young talent that arguably could be on the roster. (AJ DeLaGarza, Franklin, Mixx, Tracy, etc)

      These gentlemen are plenty young, and I would prefer that starting lineup, by the spring of 2014, to whatever the Mexicans are throwing at us.


      • You left off Bunbury. Nobody else on that list is a real hold-up type forward.


        • Posted by Doug on 2011/06/26 at 11:16 AM

          The problem with criticizing the roster that Bradley selected is that he was the Only one who gave adu any chance whatever. Everyone on this board said he was crazy for bringing adu, and right now we are all very happy to have him as a future part of this team. None of us would have discovered that adu can still be a big part of team USA.


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