Euro Squads 2012: Starting With Some Lions…

Because it’s always fun to talk TerryBall.

England’s 2012 Euro squad:

Nine lives for Defoe, who lives on for England at the 2012 Euros….


  • Joe Hart, Rob Green, John Ruddy


  • John Terry, Ashley Cole, Gary Cahill, Joleon Lescott, Glen Johnson, Leighton Baines, Phil Jones


  • Scott Parker, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Theo Walcott, Gareth Barry, Ashley Young, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, James Milner, Stewart Downing


  • Wayne Rooney, Andy Carroll, Danny Welbeck, Jermain Defoe

Standby players:

  • Jack Butland (GK), Phil Jagielka, Jordan Henderson, Adam Johnson, Daniel Sturridge

49 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by FulhamPete on 2012/05/16 at 6:21 AM

    One of the most underwhelming English sides I’ve ever seen.


  2. Posted by dth on 2012/05/16 at 7:20 AM

    Feel bad for England losing Wilshere, Cleverley and now Walker. That’s two, maybe three starters right there.


    • Posted by djpeisner on 2012/05/16 at 7:54 AM

      I can’t feel bad for any side that voluntarily includes the likes of Rob Green, Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing and Jermain Defoe, and leaves home Daniel Sturridge, Grant Holt, Aaron Lennon, Adam Johnson, Micah Richards and Peter Crouch. Somewhat ironically, the diminished expectations are probably the best thing that could ever happen to the chronically over-exuberant English team.


      • Posted by mathmatics on 2012/05/16 at 8:12 AM

        Those guys on your ‘left home’ list aren’t exactly world beaters themselves.

        England just don’t have much in the way of elite talent this cycle outside of a suspended Rooney and Joe Hart. What they have in abundance are middling and formerly world class players.

        Their success, if they have any, will come from discipline and organization, which I think explains most of the more controversial selections.

        Sturridge, Lennon, and AJ aren’t known for their tireless defensive efforts while Richards is prone to the occasional positioning lapse.


        • Posted by dth on 2012/05/16 at 8:50 AM

          Ashley Cole is still among the best left backs in the world.


          • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 9:21 AM

            Agreed. He has had an excellent end of season. His 2 performances (within the unit) vs. Barcelona were a masterclass.

            But when you look at the five or six big teams, they have a lot of depth. England doesn’t. The fact that Wilshere and Walker are injured reallly hurts England’s 1st XI, whereas the other teams, this would not be a problem.


            • Posted by matthewsf on 2012/05/16 at 10:38 AM

              I’m with you on Kyle Walker by the way — everyone praises Phil Jones and Walker does get plaudits, but man oh man with Cole aging, Walker is going to be “that FB” just on the other side.

            • Posted by dth on 2012/05/16 at 1:11 PM

              Phil Jones is a centerback or defensive midfielder for me. Right back was strictly an emergency thing for United. Assuming Ferguson wants to stop sticking Jones and Smalling there, I would guess a right back is on the buying list.

            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 1:42 PM

              I agree, but due to Jone’s versatility, it has enabled Hodgson to pick 7 defenders and take an ‘extra’ midfielder.

          • Posted by SamT on 2012/05/16 at 11:34 AM

            My problem with Cole has always been the extent to which he will go to get in a cheap shot. He is often very subtle how he goes about it, but it’s there if you look closely. Difficult for me to root for a guy like that — no matter how well he’s playing.


          • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/20 at 7:48 AM

            What a performance from Cole. Simply amazing.


      • Posted by Nick on 2012/05/16 at 9:12 AM

        I think Grant Holt is probably the most interesting of those left at home. He’s not an Alan Shearer by any means, but he would give them a different look than their current forwards – I’m intentionally excepting Andy Carroll from that statement because of his lack of form for 5/6ths of the season AND he doesn’t appear to have that same bull in a china shop mentality that Holt has used to great benefit this season.

        Also, (aside from GKs and Leighton Baines who already has a couple of caps) he would’ve been the only player from outside the top 10, and depending on your view of the Prem, outside of the “Big 4 plus Tottenham.” Especially interesting given the seasons Liverpool and Chelsea had.


        • Posted by Nick on 2012/05/16 at 9:18 AM

          I guess the Big 4 is out the window given City’s ascendency this season, but the overall point remains valid.


      • Posted by KickinNames... on 2012/05/16 at 1:58 PM

        Did Roy not have access to Liverpool highlights this season? Downing had one of the most useless seasons I’ve seen for a wide player. Its one thing to be exclusively left footed if you’re Bale or Robben. Slow and one dimensional just doesn’t seem that dangerous….
        Agreed that team speed is an issue and A Johnson, and others would be dynamic additions to an old slow midfield.

        And Carroll will just infuriate the likes of Rooney Lampard and others as he comes cruinsing into the box while the ball sails across the box. Haven’t seen a more overrated player in a long time. Shocked at his lack of effort. He reminds me of Ibra but without the talent.
        At least Crouchie will give you max effort and a little humility in the team concept.

        And before you make any joking Heskey comments just remember they don’t call him Jason for nothing….))) he always comes back for more!


  3. Posted by rambo on 2012/05/16 at 7:27 AM

    they also lost smalling who they might have taken.


  4. Posted by SoCalToffee on 2012/05/16 at 7:42 AM

    I cannot believe Stewart Downing is on that roster. An absolute crap player and a waste of sub. To me Roy is already planning to go to the gallows, but too be honest I’m not surprised with his picks. Hell he could further worsen this side by adding Heskey in the lineup as well. Anyways the best outcome IMO for England is maybe Quarterfinals finish . Oh yeah and I’m new to this blog but Ive been reading it for the past year. Just wanted to put my two cents in. Cheers!


  5. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 8:10 AM

    Very predictable squad. Definitely illustrates a dearth of talent in more than one position.

    Think I would have gone for Johnson over Downing and Richards over Johnson.

    I am excited over Chamberlain, but will he get any playing time? Part of me thinks if he’s not good enough to start for his club, should he be included? But I guess it is just one spot and worth the gamble.

    Also glad we finally have a keeper is a very good, rather than being the best of a bad bunch.

    Hopefully Hodgson won’t deploy a flat 4-4-2.


    • Posted by dth on 2012/05/16 at 8:54 AM

      I think it’s interesting to diagnose a dearth of talent. England’s young players are genuinely good and worth getting excited for. If you restricted yourself to Olympic-eligible players, you’d get something like:

      ?; Gibbs, Smalling, Jones, Walker; Rodwell (Barkley?), Cleverley, Wilshere; Sturridge, Welbeck, Ox.

      That’s just off the top of my head–don’t hold me to those specific names. At any rate, that’s an exciting group. Guess once-bitten twice-shy for supporters and media.


      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 9:33 AM

        I am genuinely excited for the future, but I am talking about the Euros that start in approx. 23 days. Many of these you mention aren’t ready – not all of them in this squad.

        By the time WC14 and EC16 starts, they’ll have between two and four more seasons of playing top level football.

        Don’t worry. If England beat France in our opening game, then the RedTops and WhiteVanMan will be spouting their usual stuff.


      • Posted by matthewsf on 2012/05/16 at 10:31 AM

        While I think there is some good attacking and CM talent for England, none of it is really proven or enough to make an International side quiver.

        Looking at their player pool, really–if I’m say the Dutch–in 2016 I might game plan against Kyle Walker, maybe Cleverley if healthy, maybe Jones and frankly maybe Adam Johnson…god knows why a player that possess the ball and take on players from the wing was left home.


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 11:10 AM

          Thank you. Adam Johnson has that ability and trickery to really run at defenders with the ball and create something. Not sure why Downing was picked ahead. But I guess neither are starters… think that will be:

          Johnson, Cahill, Terry, Cole
          Parker (Barry), Lampard
          Walcott, Gerrard, Young


          • Posted by lukesandblom on 2012/05/16 at 11:30 AM

            welbeck over rooney. rooney won’t start. wow…


          • Posted by matthewsf on 2012/05/16 at 11:43 AM

            Pretty much agree on your starters GeorgeCross, but I could see Phil Jones sneaking in ahead of Glen Johnson. Could also see Milner or Downing ahead of yes, Walcott.

            Think it will be Parker as well and I wouldn’t rule out a Carroll start.


            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 12:23 PM

              England don’t possess too much creativity or speed, which is why I pick Walcott. He’s not the finished article, but his consistency, final ball, decision making in general has improved a lot this season.

              I like Milner, but I think he is the utility man and probably won’t start. He might get minutes to help close a game out, especially if we’re winning comfortably and wants to rest a player.

  6. Posted by Crow on 2012/05/16 at 8:43 AM

    ESPN the magazine had become very, very weak for about a year. It was trying to be a poor man’s sports GQ or something. They seem to be back on track now. Some really nice articles lately including one on the Phoenix Coyotes that was one of the best sports articles I’ve ever read…

    Anyway, the latest issue is a Euro preview+ and it is very good. A nice breakdown of all of the groups (I had no idea France was on a 17 game unbeaten streak since the debacle of the World Cup), an interesting article on Wayne Rooney, and an awesome article on Bob Bradley/Egypt.

    – ESPN is predicting for England to be knocked out in the group stage. They have Sweden finishing 2nd in the group.

    – I wish Nike could do as nice of a job with the US Kits as they do with France. I think the 2011 kits were really sharp and the new Euro kits for France look great as well.


  7. Posted by matthewsf on 2012/05/16 at 10:34 AM

    A note, you’re Roy. You’re system is a 4-4-2 typically and by the looks of the roster you’re going to be defensively disciplined and lob in crosses from the likes of Milner, Cole, Young, Downing and more.

    But the teams you should put away (Ukraine, Sweden) defend best in the air…..


  8. Posted by lukesandblom on 2012/05/16 at 10:56 AM

    no micah richards? surprising. faith in glen johnson i guess…
    also carrick could have at least been standby and sturridge is unlucky


  9. Posted by lukesandblom on 2012/05/16 at 11:41 AM

    not that it matters but the fact that 19 year old jack butland, who has made 24 apps for league 2’s cheltanham town in his career is on the standby list is…. wow


    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/16 at 12:50 PM

      Let’s be perfectly honest, English goalkeepers are pretty thin on the ground at the moment. Then add that Ben Foster, Scott Carson and Paul Robinson have ruled themselves out of contention (and they’re not in Joe Hart’s class either). Am surprised a little with Butland, but who else is there? Stockdale? Fielding? Amos? Steele? In all likelihood, Green and Ruddy won’t see any playing time, and Butland will be following the herd down to Greece, on sunny beaches…


      • Posted by schmutzdeck on 2012/05/16 at 3:47 PM

        The general consesus seems to be this is one of the weakest England teams in years.

        What makes that interesting is how many of this England’s top 14 would make it onto the latest USMNT 23?

        And how many of our guys would make onto their 23?


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/17 at 6:56 AM

          Well yeah. Ferdinand was not selected, and of the probable starters, Terry, Cole, Barry / Parker, Gerrard and Lampard are all past their peak, and this is more than likely their last tournament.

          Rooney is suspended, and Cahill, Johnson, Walcott, Welbeck and Young are either inconsistent or unproven at this level. That leaves Hart.

          How many USMNTers do you think would start over my XI?


          • Posted by dth on 2012/05/17 at 7:00 AM

            Dempsey > Gerrard, Donovan > Walcott, Bradley > Lampard.

            Just my opinion, of course.


            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/17 at 8:57 AM

              Interesting. On current form, I would have picked Dempsey to replace Young and perhaps Donovan for Walcott.

              You guys know that I like Walcott, as he is unplayable on his day, but I have conceded he lacks consistency.

              Not sure about Bradley as I have not seen enough of him, but Lampard has been in great form since. AVB’s departure.

          • Posted by Jared on 2012/05/17 at 8:30 AM

            I agree with dth about which players would be there ahead of English players.

            I think a case could be made for Jozy ahead of Welbeck (he just doesn’t finish well right now) especially since with Roy it will be 4-4-2 so Jozy wouldn’t be the lone striker and Dolo ahead of Johnson (I think Dolo would be the type of player that Roy would love to be able to slot in to his defense because he’s just a solid performer) as well. England would probably prefer Jermaine Jones over Barry but not ahead of Parker just based on Barry’s being so slow that results in him getting caught out for England.


            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/17 at 9:03 AM

              Looking at the 23, I think Hodgson might even go for a 4-3-3. Plus, we all know Neville is a HUGE 4-3-3 advocate, so not sure Hodgson could have sold his vision otherwise. Obviously, just speculating…

            • Posted by matthewsf on 2012/05/17 at 9:05 AM

              Great pick-up on Neville and 4-3-3. Do you really see Roy getting out of his comfort zone though with so little time left?

              Will be interesting…

            • Posted by Jared on 2012/05/17 at 9:30 AM

              Not sure I can see Roy who is a huge 4-4-2 guy switching over in a month to a new formation for his biggest ever job. That is not a recipe for success.

            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/17 at 9:49 AM

              True. But it is not like the players can only play 4-4-2. But I guess it all depends how that midfield band and second striker are deployed, as it can easily morph between a 4-2-3-1 in possession and two banks of 4 out of possession.

              Obviously, it is not fixed. He might go for Barry and Parker vs. France to provide protection in front of the back for, and opt for only Parker vs. Sweden and Ukraine, with Lampard.

          • Posted by schmutzdeck on 2012/05/18 at 1:34 PM

            Your starting 11:

            Johnson, Cahill, Terry, Cole
            Parker (Barry), Lampard
            Walcott, Gerrard, Young

            I would replace Walcott with Donovan and Young with Dempsey.

            I could make a case for Jones / Bradley over Barry/ Lampard but it would be a toss up. If Lampard continues with his recent revival then he gets the nod. I might also argue for Dolo over Johnson but that is mostly because I think Dolo is more reliable.

            That’s about it.


            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/19 at 8:44 AM

              Glad nobody has talked about Howard replacing Hart.

              I think Howard is a very god keeper, and I am a big fan of his. But Hart has been different class over the last two seasons.

  10. Posted by dth on 2012/05/16 at 2:48 PM

    More club-focused, but I can’t believe Liverpool would attempt Villas-Boas as the replacement. It feels too similar to the Chelsea situation to me. (I saw an article suggest Deschamps and Klopp also. Dunno about Deschamps but I’d be surprised if Klopp left Dortmund for anything other than the German national team.)


  11. Posted by Nelsonaoatl on 2012/05/17 at 12:03 PM

    I honestly think y’all are a bit cynical about this squads talent. Ashley Young curls the ball like a beast, shot or cross. Scott Parker is a menace. Hart is a fine keeper. Not having Walker definitely hurts, but perhaps an unassuming side is just what England needs to find their way. However, I have a feeling Ukraine being at home might prove a stout test.


  12. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/17 at 1:34 PM

    Does anybody know anything about (France right back) Mathieu Debuchy? Assuming he’ll start for the injured Bacary Sagna.


    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/05/17 at 1:57 PM

      My thinking is this *may* be potential for England to exploit? Young as the inverted winger cutting in from the left, and Cole overlapping?

      Although the French will probably be thinking the same with Ribery and Evra / Johnson…


  13. Posted by Antonio Henry on 2012/05/17 at 7:48 PM

    Stewart Downing over Adam Johnson? Are you kidding me?


  14. Posted by Stuntman on 2012/05/20 at 1:47 PM

    Somebody help me out here; arent Dempsey, Donovan, Howard etc American? Been reading comments wishing for their inclusion in England squad.


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