Live: US vs. Mexico from the Azteca

Will Orozo-Fiscal man the right flank and help protect Edu…or will he fall into line with his “one poor foul per game” history?

Where does Jose Torres play? Landon Donovan?

Does Herculez Gomez start up top by himself? Can Jermaine Jones avoid the pitch citations.

USA vs. Mexico about to get it on.

Edu’ing it, edu’ing it, edu’ing it well? (Photo courtesy Matt Mathai)

86 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by amh on 2012/08/15 at 2:15 PM

    US goes up 1-0 on a diving header from Carli Lloyd!

    Oh, wait.Wrong national team.

    Enjoy the game everyone & I look forward to some solid TSG analysis tomorrow.


  2. Posted by KickinNames.. on 2012/08/15 at 2:21 PM

    3 hrs til game on and no lineups yet?


  3. Posted by TGP on 2012/08/15 at 2:29 PM

    Cmon Sweater Vests!


  4. Posted by John Mosby on 2012/08/15 at 2:39 PM

    BBC is reporting the game is postponed until tomorrow, august 16.


  5. Posted by mbw on 2012/08/15 at 4:09 PM

    Wahl indicates Johnson will play right back. Which makes sense, I guess, since Castillo is more a “natural” left-sided player. Johnson and Donovan could be a real handful down the right flank.


  6. Posted by Jawaad on 2012/08/15 at 4:22 PM

    Linesup are up: 4-3-1-2 formation

    @ussoccer: #USMNT lineup for #USAvMEX: Howard (c); Johnson, Cameron, Edu, Castillo; Jones, Beckerman, Williams, Torres; Donovan, Gomez


    • Posted by Jawaad on 2012/08/15 at 4:23 PM

      I kind of wanted to see some untapped talent in this lineup, the likes of boyd and corona at the very least, but hopefully we’ll cycle a couple more in there at some point throughout the game


  7. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 4:34 PM

    2 OT but: Javi Martinez is a fantastic acquisition for Bayern; can’t see what the point of acquiring van Persie was, for any amount, for United.

    It’s a real shame to watch Dilly Duka play. Can’t help but think if he goes to many other MLS teams, or grows up in other countries, he gets the chance to play #10.


  8. Posted by Ufficio on 2012/08/15 at 4:37 PM

    I was happy that Jürgen called in some wingers, but I guess it was too much to expect that he would actually play them.


    • Posted by Jason on 2012/08/15 at 4:54 PM

      Haha yeah that line up looks VERY narrow. Any width we have will have to be provided by the fullbacks. This should be interesting…


  9. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 5:22 PM

    US ball retention is horrendous so far.


  10. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 5:24 PM

    I just don’t see why we’re paying—well, whatever it is we’re paying Klinsmann–this money when Bob Bradley could’ve given us the exact same set-up.


    • Posted by Ufficio on 2012/08/15 at 5:56 PM

      Klinsmann’s teams play the bunkering style a lot more effectively, to be fair.


      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 6:27 PM

        Yes, because Howard has been protected well. But Mexico’s final ball, whether in open play or set pieces, has been shite. And the cheap give-aways in dangerous areas have been numerous. But, it is 0-0.


  11. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 5:27 PM

    Where is Bocanegra? Edu is in the same boat, club wise, no?


  12. torres OUT


  13. Posted by Ufficio on 2012/08/15 at 5:48 PM

    Donovan’s got to be better than this.


  14. Posted by cpjuengel on 2012/08/15 at 5:50 PM

    donovan is covering for useless torres, LD looks like hes playing mid, as torres walks back offsides.


  15. Posted by Joshua on 2012/08/15 at 5:57 PM

    Uninspiring play…. That simple


  16. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 6:00 PM

    Would anyone like to bring up the gap argument again?


  17. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 6:12 PM

    Alexi Lalas claiming that there’s nothing Mexico is doing that we should be may be the most ignorant argument I’ve heard in a while.


    • Posted by Jared on 2012/08/15 at 6:20 PM

      Give him a few minutes and he’ll say something more ignorant. He’s just a US Soccer mouthpiece at this point. He’s the anti-Wynalda in that he’s been given too many opportunities because he’s willing to toe the party line.


    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 6:32 PM

      I understand that he is pro-US. But his punditry and analysis is shameful. Have more respect for your audience and tell the truth for once.

      Any other industry he would be sacked for being crap.


  18. Posted by Jared on 2012/08/15 at 6:18 PM

    I’ve been impressed by Cameron in the back. He’s intercepted a lot of balls and stayed with Chicharito pretty well.

    I think everyone will agree that it’s time to move on from Jose Torres. He has never played well enough in any position and I think now he’s had a fair amount of chances.


  19. Posted by Andrew M. on 2012/08/15 at 6:31 PM

    Geoff Cameron is playing out of his mind!


  20. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 6:33 PM

    And US Soccer’s answer to Steven Gerrard is in the game!


  21. Posted by Ufficio on 2012/08/15 at 6:36 PM

    When did Cheech become such a diver?


  22. Posted by scweeb on 2012/08/15 at 6:37 PM

    I know Beckerman isn’t Bradley but he is a good 2nd choice!!


    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 6:54 PM

      Respectfully disagree. He is a big drop off and you have missed his composure and control.


    • Posted by Alex on 2012/08/15 at 10:54 PM

      Gotta argue that Beckerman is more positionally disciplined than Bradley. Fills that gap above the CBs pretty nicely.


      • Posted by Jared on 2012/08/16 at 6:21 AM

        I don’t think Beckerman’s more positionally disciplined anymore. He was two years ago but MB90 has made huge strides in that part of the game since moving to Italy.


      • Posted by HuntDaddy on 2012/08/16 at 6:49 AM

        Beckerman only seems more positionally disciplined because he contributes less to the attack than Bradley. If you don’t ever attack you can focus more on defending.


  23. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 6:39 PM

    Who is picking up Hernandez when he plays between the lines? Seriously.


  24. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 6:51 PM

    Wow. Missed free header in the six yard box. Neither CB was close to him. Let off.


  25. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 6:53 PM

    And that’s why I haven’t joined in on the Brek Shea bashing. Not his fault Schellas Hyndman is being a stubborn donkey this year.


  26. Posted by Andrew M. on 2012/08/15 at 6:55 PM

    Brek Shea. The Difference Maker.


  27. Posted by Ufficio on 2012/08/15 at 6:55 PM

    Good lord, this official is awful.


  28. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 6:58 PM



  29. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/15 at 7:00 PM

    That was a great bit of GKing.


  30. Posted by Andrew M. on 2012/08/15 at 7:10 PM

    Historic for USA. Good on Brek Boyd and Cameron.


  31. Posted by scweeb on 2012/08/15 at 7:10 PM

    Am i the only one who is just on cloud 9 here?!?! GEEZ we just made history for us come on


  32. Posted by Jim on 2012/08/15 at 7:10 PM

    H, yeah! Azteca baby!!!


  33. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 7:12 PM

    Brek Shea’s thought process as he skins the Mexican fullback: “WHOA! The guy got me the ball! LIke, where I wanted it! WHOA, my forward’s making the right run! WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!! TEAMMATES!!!”

    Brek’s been undervalued because of the crummy teammates brilliant FCD general managing has saddled him with.


    • Posted by Nelson on 2012/08/15 at 7:15 PM

      It’s saddening really. Hoping he gets transferred to a better club ASAP…

      on a better note: WE JUST WON IN AZTECA! VAMOS GRINGOS!!!


      • Shea could just move a few hours south and take Kandji’s spot in Houston. Linking up with Davis, Boniek, and Bruin would serve both parties well, and as a Houston fan it would be nice to have someone on the left flank who can finish the job after beating his defender(s). Needless to say I don’t think this would ever realistically happen.


        • Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 7:38 PM

          There was a rumor floating around for a while, right? Too late now, though.

          I really hope Shea’s agent was smart enough to put a nice release clause on that extension. If not, Shea could immolate his agent immediately.


          • I never heard any rumor, but it sure would be nice.


          • Posted by Jared on 2012/08/16 at 6:23 AM

            Does MLS use release clauses in their contracts? Doesn’t seem like their m.o. because it would give a player/outside clubs too much control.


            • You could probably add an intra-league release clause so that MLS wouldn’t be snippy, but I don’t see how that would ever be in the interest of an MLS club.

            • Posted by dth on 2012/08/16 at 7:31 AM

              Yeah, well, Shea had all the leverage at the time–young, marketable player with the contract winding down. So, again, if there’s no release clause on that contract, someone made a very poor decision.

    • dth, that’s the underrated comment of the night. We need a like button on here.


    • Posted by matthewsf on 2012/08/16 at 4:21 AM

      Agree on Shea.


  34. Posted by Jared on 2012/08/15 at 7:16 PM

    Who would have thought that the US would beat Mexico in Azteca with that lineup? Great result for the guys who were asked to play in positions they weren’t comfortable.

    Chicharito will have nightmares about his play. Terrible finishing. It will be interesting to see if the Mexican mentality really has changed with their good results or if the media/fans will overreact to a loss to the US.


  35. Fantastic combination for the goal. If Shea keeps his head, his play out wide is exactly what’s needed. Boyd—great awareness and composure in that situation.

    Considering we were playing with a lot of gaps in our line-up, arguably without our two best players and our best forward, this is an awesome result—despite the poor disjointed play. Also, great to get Cameron in a game like this and have him step up to the occasion.

    Jones was frustratingly wasteful on the ball, as he has been for a few games now. He continues to hold far too long with the belief that he is untouchable in possession. Williams as well was poor, bad touch, but he’s younger and in my mind has more to give at this point than Jones.

    I still think that if we could get Bradley and Stu together it would be the ideal CM set-up. At this point, Jurgen has to give Sacha a look centrally as well in the role Torres was in tonight—who by the way was awful. He needs to see the field more in a deeper role, so I don’t entirely blame him for being so bad—Jurgen keeps putting him in spots he doesn’t belong, but either way, it’s time for someone else to get a go.

    Again, pretty incredible to get a wing considering how green this unit was, and how little time they have played with one another. Jurgen hasn’t been perfect with his selections for sure, but I like how he approached this game in particular. Get guys experience, pull in some guys playing domestically in Mexico to let them know he’s paying attention, and build confidence in the player pool. When you think about the selections, it makes sense with his stated philosophy of creating a kind of melting pot team that reflects the US as a whole. I also think it’s subtly brilliant because it sends a message to guys in every league that he’s watching—so don’t be complacent regardless of the league you’re in.

    Good stuff.


    • Posted by cpjuengel on 2012/08/15 at 7:35 PM

      i htink jones was asked to play bradleys role tonight, and it doesnt work. does jones fit in better once bradley is back?


  36. Posted by Wilkerson McLaser on 2012/08/15 at 7:44 PM

    This morning, Klinsi was a moron, seemingly unconcerned with what little reputation US soccer had left.

    Now, he’s a genius. A goddamned genius.


  37. Posted by Eric on 2012/08/15 at 7:57 PM

    I’m more convinced than ever after this game that Brek needs to get out of Dallas, or Dallas needs to get rid of Hyndman. I don’t care which at this point but Shea is too special to continue having his development wasted in Dallas.


    • Posted by Jared on 2012/08/16 at 6:27 AM

      Definitely. I’d argue that he needs out of MLS at this point after watching what he was able to do last season in MLS. This is not a knock on MLS (which does a good job with its limitations) but at some point a player outgrows the league and needs to move on to continue to grow (see Dempsey, Jozy, Holden).


      • Posted by matthewsf on 2012/08/16 at 6:30 AM

        Shea needs to move, just like Cameron does/did. Cameron was bored in MLS and tried to do to much.

        Shea on the other hand is the victim of poor coaching and player moves.

        Since FC Dallas appeared in MLS Cup, they’ve traded away McCarty, Pearce, Martin Chavez, botched the George John situation, & benched Shea.

        Don’t think Shea’s the problem there and I think he needs to get out of there.


      • Posted by dth on 2012/08/16 at 7:33 AM

        I agree it’s the team more than the league. If Shea were playing in, say, Houston or DC or RSL or LA, I’d be perfectly fine with him playing a little while longer. But Dallas is so dysfunctional I can’t see a huge upside for Shea staying.


  38. Posted by dth on 2012/08/15 at 8:37 PM

    Homegrown forward Jonathan Top scores first professional goal just now. For the record, Top has had two appearances. His first appearance, assist. Months later, his second appearance. Goal. Can’t wait to see some more Scott Sealy! Got to make that hopeless playoff push!


  39. Posted by mbw on 2012/08/15 at 9:01 PM

    Pet peeve: denigration of Danny Williams by people who don’t understand the role he was tasked with playing.


    • Posted by mbw on 2012/08/15 at 9:02 PM

      (p.s.: that comment was NOT directed at leftoff77.)


      • Posted by John Mosby on 2012/08/15 at 10:00 PM

        Mbdude, F Johnson plays on the left or the right, no problem. Danny Williams is just less than impressive. Maybe he should be moved to central defense.


        • Posted by mbw on 2012/08/15 at 10:43 PM

          Two totally different players, and we’re lucky to have both of them. Williams’s ultimate destination is CDM. Until then, if Klinsmann wants to play him out of position and surrender something going forward to neutralize the opponent’s most dangerous avenue of attack, fine by me.

          BTW: Having hated on Johnson’s defense a bit yesterday, I feel I owe him an apology. He was terrific tonight.


          • Posted by Alex on 2012/08/15 at 10:57 PM

            He did a very good job on Guardado. Limited his forward forays but he did what he was asked, and its good to see that he’s not just an attacking wingback.


          • Posted by Jared on 2012/08/16 at 6:31 AM

            Exactly. He’s a defensive right midfielder when he’s put out there. It’s unfortunate for Williams because it makes him look worse than he is overall because he doesn’t have the game to move the ball forward. I’d really like to see him get a shot at CDM with the full team in place of Edu or Jones (probably make more sense to replace Jones as a test just due to age).


      • ; ).

        That’s why, in part, I kept my comment about his poor touch. I think he’s an absolute monster as a CDM, but the further wide he gets, the more ineffectual the US attack gets. But I agree with your overall statement.


  40. Posted by Alex on 2012/08/15 at 10:58 PM

    Anybody impressed by Castillo today? Shut Barrera up to the point that he needed to be subbed off. And did a good job against that 2nd half sub, his name slips my mind.


    • Posted by cpjuengel on 2012/08/16 at 6:02 AM

      castillo let in most all the chances that made howard and cameron the heros, not saying, just saying


      • Posted by Jared on 2012/08/16 at 6:32 AM

        I thought Castillo was better than he’s been in the past but still not good enough. Barrera was subbed because his crossing was awful not because Castillo shut him down. Seemed to me that Barrera got a lot of crosses off but were terribly placed.


  41. Posted by evan on 2012/08/15 at 11:05 PM

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha wow that was unexpected. so i can take back my comments on Castillo and Orozco Fiscal. they earned some more chances tonite. Torres and Beasley i’ve seen more than enuff of now…


  42. As has already been mentioned, but it’s now more apparent than ever:

    Somebody get Shea the hell outta Dallas.


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