Cat Out of The Bag? Is Dempsey Sunderland AFC-bound?

Dempsey: These transfer rumors have nine lives…

Murmurs buzzed Sunday evening of Clint Dempsey headed to Sunderland.

They’ve heated today with now news of a price ($12M USD) and that Sunderland midfielder and former Manchester United castoff Keiran Richardson might be sent on the train the other way if Dempsey moves to the Black Cats.

More tweets and rumors that Dempsey was taking his medical late English time today.

So what happened with Dempsey if this move comes to fruition? Let the speculation begin. (Let it be said that TSG said was a soft market for the Texan, unfortunately that is).


52 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by matthewsf on 2012/08/27 at 11:49 AM


  2. Posted by matthewsf on 2012/08/27 at 11:51 AM


  3. Posted by matthewsf on 2012/08/27 at 11:51 AM


  4. Posted by Jared on 2012/08/27 at 11:53 AM

    Well, this is a bad move for him. Not sure that it’s affects his play with the national team because I’m sure he will play regularly for Sunderland but they are even further from the Champions League than Liverpool without any of the cachet.


  5. Posted by Spiritof76 on 2012/08/27 at 12:03 PM


    Seriously Arsene, I got your Gervinho replacement right here with a bag of 15+ goals. You guys gonna need those anytime soon?


  6. Unless Sunderland has some ace up their sleeve, I’m not sure how this fulfills his stated desire to play in the Champion’s League.


  7. Posted by Eric on 2012/08/27 at 12:08 PM

    Wow… Does the EPL really have such a mediocre opinion of Clint after last season that the only team coming to bid for him is a club who’s been finishing BELOW Fulham the past couple seasons?

    I want to know what Clint’s agent has been telling him the whole time. Was his agent telling him that Arsenal and Liverpool were definitely putting in offers for him? If so, the agent screwed up badly and ruined Clint’s position.


    • Posted by dth on 2012/08/27 at 2:18 PM

      It’s not that they have a mediocre opinion, it’s just that he’s really old and last year’s performance could very well be an outlier. Obviously you and I think it’s part of his long ascension, but you have to admit there’s the possibility it’s just a high-water mark.

      Incidentally and ironically, this may be one opinion of Clint he’s never able to disprove: by the time he disproves it to everyone’s satisfaction, well, he’ll be old.


      • On top of this he was the main man at Fulham, sure they had other outstanding performers, but at the end of the day, it was Dempsey that was their star. If he moved to any Champions League team he would likely suffer because he wouldn’t be given the freedom that Fulham allowed him to play with.


      • Posted by Duneman on 2012/08/27 at 11:50 PM

        “it’s just that he’s really old ” He is the same age as RVP. He is not some 21 year old who you get because you think he is going to be some huge star with a bigger transfer fee later….you pick him because he is older and proven. At the same age as RVP with more options for the position he can play…I dont see how he doesnt get more looks.


  8. Posted by Freegle on 2012/08/27 at 12:15 PM

    I don’t get it. It’s at best a lateral move as far as football is concerned. He moves away from London, uproots his family to move about as far away as he can and still be in England. Strange timing too… He has one year left on his deal. Why lock yourself into a lateral move instead of playing it out and becoming a free agent?


    • Posted by Eric on 2012/08/27 at 12:29 PM

      I know this may sound like I’m making excuses, but the main problem is that we don’t know the full story here. Clint clearly hasn’t told his side at all and you get the impression that Jol certainly doesn’t want, or can’t, tell the whole story either. This means that we’re all sitting around having to guess at what’s going on and how we might have ended up at this point.


    • At the end of next season he will be 30 and while he might get a deal for a Champs League team, it won’t be more than for one season to see if he can cut it, and he will need to have the same production he had last season to warrant it. Same reason RvP pushed so hard to leave this summer.


  9. Posted by KickinNames.. on 2012/08/27 at 12:29 PM

    This has never smelled right from the get go….very disappointing.

    On even sadder news…Owen Coyle has an update on Stu Holden…and it sounds a lot like ICU waiting room talk…kind of low, chattery and falsely hopeful….


    • Posted by Crow on 2012/08/27 at 3:26 PM

      Brian sciaretta tweeted me last week that he is expected back in October. Hopefully that happens.


  10. Posted by Eric on 2012/08/27 at 12:49 PM

    Just tweeted by LFC News:

    “Rodgers wants Dempsey but the owners are unsure because of his age.He has been told if he sells a player then we can bid. (Macca)”

    Maybe slow down on the Sunderland talk? Hopefully?


  11. Posted by LandoCalrissovan on 2012/08/27 at 12:59 PM

    I don’t believe it. Makes no sense on any level. I could be wrong, but I just can’t see it.


  12. Posted by Damon on 2012/08/27 at 3:05 PM

    It would be highly disappointing to see him take a step back like that. Unless the water is totally poisoned at Fulham I can’t see how Sunderland is a better option than just playing the season out or just sticking on at Fulham.


    • Posted by Turd Ferguson on 2012/08/27 at 3:18 PM

      I agree, very disappointing. I think any bridge back to Fulham has been thoroughly burned at this point. It will be interesting to see if we ever get the whole story of what’s happened.


      • Posted by Crow on 2012/08/27 at 3:29 PM

        I agree- I think Fulham is not an option at all anymore unfortunately although alot of the problem was/is Jol (remember the big discussion on here months ago about Jol “trashing” Dempsey in the press for months.

        Sunderland might be the reality if there is nowhere else to go. You cannot tell me that Spurs (especially now that Modric is gone) where I always thought Dempsey would end up, Liverpool, or Arsenal can’t get this done or can’t use him. My goodness.

        I think Sunderland might push for a Europa League spot but that’s it. But anywhere looks better than Fulham right now sadly. I wanted him to stay at Fulham unless he got definite CL football.


        • I don’t see him fitting at Spurs. They have the two fastest wingers in the league and play to that strength. He wouldn’t be a like-for-like replacement for Modric unfortunately because his passing isn’t as precise and he like to play much more attacking than Luka. Unless he wanted to go there and wait for Lennon to (inevitably) get injured, it wouldn’t see him get much PT.


          • Posted by Spiritof76 on 2012/08/28 at 5:12 AM

            Yeah, seems like at Spurs he’d probably either play a forward or be competing with Siggurdson and Van Der Vaart


            • Posted by Sean on 2012/08/28 at 6:33 AM

              There are still rumors this morning of Van Der Vaart moving back to Hamburg this morning. I could see Sigurdson sitting a bit deeper like Modric last season, and Dempsey undernear Adebayor. However, I think its still unlikely. Besides, Liverpool are offloading Adam and probably Spearing. Supposedly the rumor was that if they got rid of them, then they would have room for Dempsey.

  13. Posted by Crow on 2012/08/27 at 3:32 PM

    Another thought- why can’t Everton just make the push. I know they never have any money but I think I remember Moyes saying one of his biggest regrets in the transfer market was never signing Dempsey.

    Everton was what- 3rd in pts in the 2nd half of last season and 2nd the year before? They have actually won 2 games to start the year (instead of losing 6-0 etc) and I think have a serious chance for 4th. The Manchesters and Chelsea may run away with the league but you can’t tell me Everton won’t have a serious chance to nip out Spurs or Arsenal for 4th. Clint could help Everton get to CL football! I know wishful thinking.


    • Crow,

      If you watch Moyes he tends to buy young or unknown, develop them and then sell them. Everton look great right now but it’s a long campaign and an injury here and there and Everton could be in trouble. Man U . loses Rooney but then they just brought in RVP and have Wellbeck and Chicharito on the bench.

      Everton can’t do things like that.

      I’m sure Moyes is a Dempsey admirer but, unless Fulham drops their price in the next few days ( and maybe they do) I’m pretty sure he can’t afford Clint.

      While Sunderland is not exactly what Clint had in mind, and of course we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, if they are his best option to continue playing in the EPL , then it sure beats doing nothing or playing for Toronto FC.

      If he were 25, taking a year off (whether it is Fulham’s idea or his) is possible but at 30 that is asking a lot given the standard to which Clint wants to play.


  14. Posted by Gregorio on 2012/08/27 at 5:40 PM

    I’m going to go out on a limb here, much like my prediction that Puerto Rico would upset Canada in the WCQ (They did well against Spain I migth add, guess they didn’t peak yet!) Anyway Sunderland won’t be CL but they due to some spending of cash & Martin O’ Neil, are a team on the rise. They have always been a decent side defensively but with not enough attacking prowness. With them buying Fletcher, & Adam Johnson, expect them to be a top ten team, sort of like what he did at Villa.
    Clint although appearing to take a step laterally will become a folk hero once again as he helps Sunderland climb the table, all plus some more $$ in a player’s short playing life.
    As stated above, I think the well at Fulham has been poisoned by heavy-handed tactics & negotiations, although Clint might have to own his part in it too. Too bad for Fulham faithfull, once the truth (or one’s version of it) Clint will be looked at more positively by all,


  15. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/28 at 12:48 AM

    Hope he is getting a good pay rise. He is moving his family to *Sunderland*. Not sure if any of you have have been there, but outside of the nice and extremely suburbs, it is effing grim. The reason that the common perception of regional cities “taking their football seriously” is because there is nothing else to do. Life is going to be in a goldfish bowl.

    The only positive is working under Martin O’Neil.

    There is a reason why Champions League clubs aren’t buying him – it’s a simple one too. He’s not good enough.


    • Posted by tysker on 2012/08/28 at 9:20 AM

      Admittedly I am biased but I feel Dempsey is plenty skilled enough to play for CL teams. However he doesn’t fit into the player molds and systems that EPL-based CL managers prefer. He would be a high-risk, high-reward signing and CL level managers in the EPL don’t get paid to be risky.


    • Posted by Gregorio on 2012/08/28 at 10:12 AM

      Thanks Cross for your experienced picture of Sunderland, I know nothing of it other than what I read “effing grim” says a lot to me.
      I’m a bit saddened by your words that for CL teams, Clint isn’t good enough, I hope it isnt’ so but looking through a reality lens , there is merit to your statement. Although I must add that the value & estimation of Clint is somewhere between our American Hype of our own and England’s perception of an American’s abilities, christ Liverpool paid 35 mllion for Any Carroll and millions for Stewart Downing, please don’t tell me (not you personally George but the collective naysayers here & abroad) Clint isnt good enough to be a stater there and other places.


      • Posted by dth on 2012/08/28 at 10:42 AM

        It’s not how good Clint is, it’s how old he is. Dempsey’s a better player than Podolski, to take one example.


        • Posted by KickinNames.. on 2012/08/28 at 11:32 AM

          Although Podes looks like he’s taking his EPL opp seriously. Looks fantastic and focused and occasionally defended!! in the first few games. Not a big fan of his but he does seem to have put in the work.


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/28 at 7:10 PM

          Americans have been talking up Dempsey for a few seasons now. Before the excuse was an anti-American bias. Now at 29, it is his age.


          • Posted by dth on 2012/08/28 at 8:44 PM

            Americans may be doing that, but as an individual, I’m not sure I’ve been inconsistent. At any rate, your point is nonresponsive. Dempsey is better than Podolski, to name just one example. That’s before considering the squad game.


            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/28 at 10:06 PM

              You are entitled to your opinion, which i respect, but somewhat disagree with. You make a bold statement without saying why. In isolation it loses credibility.

              Dempsey sure has some PL currency to his name, which he has earned and is deserved – but remember, it was only one outstanding season. Podolski has been with his new team in a new country for a very short time. Lets revisit this at the end of the season.

          • GC,

            It’s not just Americans who were talking up Dempsey.

            Dempsey finished fourth in the Football Writers’ Association Footballer of the Year award voting. RVP won it and Rooney and Scholes, in order, finished ahead of him

            The winner is selected by a vote amongst the members of the Football Writers’ Association (FWA), around 400 football journalists based throughout England. I doubt there are a lot of Americans in that Association.

            Fourth is not so great you say?

            The interesting thing about the poll is the writers get one vote. No first second and third place choices that are then tallied up. So any votes for Dempsey meant the voter thought Dempsey had the best year of any player.

            Unless RVP got 390 votes, Rooney 5, Scholes 4 and Dempsey 1, getting enough votes for fourth place is noteworthy.

            Clint is no Messi or Christiano Ronaldo but the fact that no Champions League team has bought Dempsey yet does not necessarily mean they think he is not good enough. It may well mean they already have all their needs filled or they may think Fulham’s price is too steep for any number of reasons most of us will never know. And yes, age could very well be one of them.

            Clint’s age is of concern for two reasons:
            1.) For the money you either want assurance that you will have his services for a few years or if he doesn’t work out, he will at least be some resale value down the road as in “he did not settle here but he will be great for you guys”. That is easier to sell with a 24 year old bust than with a 30 year old bust.

            2.) Clint started later than most. It has taken him longer to get to this point and thus he does not have the kind of track record that RVP has. If you needed assurance that your player would have at least one good year you buy RVP over Clint because he has a better record. That sentiment seems to be so powerful that it even trumps RVP’s very poor injury record. He has missed something like 47% of his games, which is insane.


  16. Posted by Hal on 2012/08/28 at 12:15 PM

    Dempsey is not going to Sunderland. You can’t believe anything you hear in the British press. They just make stuff up. Especially the Daily Fail.

    It’s Liverpool or Arsenal.


  17. Posted by Eric on 2012/08/28 at 12:37 PM

    This is just speculation on my part, as most things dealing with trasnfers are, but the rumor right now is that ManCity suddnely wants to sign Theo from Arsenal now that the Sinclair deal fell through. One would think that Wenger would have to replace him with another player right?


    • Posted by Damon on 2012/08/28 at 2:26 PM

      For how little Arsenal plays on the Counter I would think that Walcott would have more value to another team.


  18. Posted by 2tone on 2012/08/28 at 2:47 PM

    We will just to have to wait and see what happens in the coming days. I have a feeling another team bigger than Sunderland will put in a bid. But in the end I would rather him go to Sunderland then rot on the bench all season with Fulham.


    • Posted by 2tone on 2012/08/28 at 3:06 PM

      There are reports coming out that Tottenham have just forked out 15 mill for Dembele. Dempsey needs to leave that sinking Fulham ship. I would rather see him go to a rising Sunderland team. Fulham will be fighting relegation now with Dembele on his way out.

      No dembele and no Dempsey at Fulham means Fulham are screwed. That was 90 percent of Fulham’s offense last season.

      Go on Dempsey make the move to Sunderland.


      • What I am hoping for is a dizzying array of musical chair transfers on the last day. Things certainly look like they are lining up that way. Hopefully, Clint does not get left out.


    • Posted by Eric on 2012/08/28 at 3:29 PM

      Wasn’t it just earlier today that Fulham claimed that they hadn’t received any offers for either Clint or Dembele? If so, they’ve either been lying the whole time or Tottenham did this deal extremely quickly.


  19. Posted by Union on 2012/08/28 at 6:43 PM

    The truth is, Clint chose to have his breakout season at the worst possible time in his career. While its true that RVP, at 29, was sold for 2 times what Clint’s value is, RVP is a better player, lets be real. I don’t even rate RVP as highly as the rest of the world and I know he’s a far better player. RVP at 25 years old would have sold for twice what Man U paid (what was it, 23m pounds?). That just shows you what the value is for older players. Man U will have little to know re-sale value on RVP, in fact, he’ll probably either end his career with them, or leave for 20 million less than he was bought for.

    As for DEmpsey, he too will probably end his European career with whatever club he signs for. So to pay 10 million pounds for someone that cannot be re-sold. Well thatt is a tough thing to do.


    • Posted by Union on 2012/08/28 at 6:46 PM

      I should add that Clint would help any number of clubs right now, that is undeniable. I’m a huge LFC supporter and he would certainly help them. The problem is, do you pay 10 million for Fabio Borini, who at 21 has a giant career in front of him (plus he can be sold for much higher if he succeeds). Or do you spend that money on Clint, who might very well score the most goals on your team, but will cost an arm and a leg in terms of wages.

      To be honest, I think he still makes far more sense for Arsenal, but Wenger is too arrogant to have a player that lacks the flashy qualities he generally falls in love with.


    • Posted by Standard_Deviance on 2012/08/29 at 8:48 AM

      You’re talking a lot of sense, Union. As a USMNT fan, I want to see Clint get recognition on an even bigger stage. As an objective observer, it makes perfect sense why so few teams want him at that price.


  20. Posted by Nelson on 2012/08/28 at 9:26 PM

    Dempsey is clutch. He would be tapping in so many goals at Tottenham. Rotate him as a CF and second striker, winger. he’s a utility guy. He has chemistry and understanding with Dembele. Give Ade and VDV some competition and backup. Personally I’m over Lennon because of his defensive frailties, but I do agree Deuce lacks the pace of Lennon. Hoping for Willian really to bring some pace and creativity on the wing. Modric did start at RM effectively for Spurs in the past.

    Is it me or doesn’t it seem he would sell a lot of jerseys in America, or at least bring more Americans to the brand, rendering his low resale value pointless.

    Is there any shame in being a squad player in a top team over being a starter in a mediocre team?


    Dempsey loves fishing. I’m not sure he’d find a pastoral/coastal city so drab. I can definitely root for Sunderland over Arsenal or ‘pool. So in conclusion maybe a Europa League club could keep Dempsey mentally comfortable, playing well, and more effective for the nat’l team.


  21. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/08/29 at 5:06 PM

    FWIW, I would like to see Dempsey at Arsenal. He might not be an automatic starter for every game but he would certainly provide Mr. Wenger with a few options.

    But my long standing overall opinion hasn’t changed -Arsenal need to be recruiting better quality players than Dempsey to challenge for the Title. The fact that people think Arsenal is a good fit shows Arsenal’s demise.


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